Parche 7.1: Return to Karazhan (PTR)

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Patch 7.1

  • Patch 7.1 has three major pieces: Karazhan, a small raid, and additional quests in Suramar.
  • We will get a lot more detail on Patch 7.1 after Legion launches.
  • Patch 7.1 was announced now to underscore the team's commitment to patch content as part of Legion.
  • Karazhan is a Mythic dungeon (not Mythic+) with a weekly lockout.
  • Karazhan is a long enough dungeon that some people might do part of it one night and then come back to finish it another night.
  • Patch 6.2.3 was a pretty successful patch for what it was, mostly a systems patch that revitalized existing content and gave players a reason to revisit stuff.

New Dungeons

  • The old dungeon structure didn't give the team a good way to add dungeons that fit into the existing ecosystem of dungeons without stepping on the old ones.
  • When ZA and ZG were introduced, they gave better loot than the older dungeons, so people went from running a diverse set of dungeons to running just the troll dungeons.
  • With Mythic+ dungeons and Warforged/Titanforged gear in dungeons the team can add new dungeons that have a higher baseline difficulty and rewards that coexist the existing dungeons.

Raid Release Schedule

  • There will be a blog post coming out in the next few days that has the full raid release schedule.
  • The schedule will be similar to previous expansions, where everything is closed for the first three weeks, then Normal and Heroic Nightmare open, the PvP season begins, and Mythic keystones become available
  • Nighthold is an early 2017 raid, towards the very beginning of 2017.
  • In Warlords, it felt like Foundry came out too soon in relation to Highmaul for a lot of guilds and raid groups. The top end raiders were ready for it, but tons of other players were still working on it. Foundry came out and they felt rushed into that.

Mythic+ Dungeons

  • The world first type raiders will be playing a lot the first few weeks of raiding. Instead of doing five split clears they may end up doing lots of Mythic+ dungeons, which isn't the end of the world.
  • For the average group, they will probably play through all of the Mythic keystones in the group and that is it. That might take 12 - 15 dungeon runs, which is longer than most guilds raid in a week.
  • It would be easy to add a hard weekly lockout on Mythic keystones to prevent people from farming them for loot, but that would lead to people logging in on Tuesday, doing their Mythic run for the week, and being done.
  • With keystones, if you log in later in the week and have a fresh keystone ready to go, people will be lining up to run the dungeon with you.
  • Currently rewards cap out at Mythic+ 10, which rewards gear that is roughly on par with Heroic Nightmare gear. The real reward comes from the weekly chest, rewarding the mythic raid gear.

Legendary Items

  • There is a little bit of tuning still to be done on the legendary items that are outliers. There will still be some that are the best and some that are the worst. The items are a chance to try out interesting effects that aren't just a damage throughput increase.
  • If you are someone that never sets foot in a raid zone, getting a legendary item should still be exciting for you. There are some legendary items that are amazing in a raid over a long fight that aren't as useful for a player that is just soloing in the world. A more utility related legendary might be a huge deal for that player.
  • There are plans to add more legendary items as the expansion progresses.
  • The team decided not to start out with a system that allowed you to target a specific legendary item. As more are added, there will be some threshold at which there are so many out there that it feels like you can't reasonably expect to get any of the specific ones you want. At that point being able to target certain legendary items will make sense.

Artifact Weapons

  • The team will avoid nerfing a spec from being a little too good to the worst so that you don't lose out on all of your Artifact progression.
  • Artifacts are something that will continue to grow and evolve so that Artifact Power matters for the entirety of Legion.
  • Classes are balanced against each other without Artifacts or Legendary items. The Artifacts and Legendary items are then balanced against each other separately.

Melee vs Ranged

  • In Mythic+ dungeons melee do really well with cleave and mobility compared to casters that have to stand still. Melee may be a little stronger in Mythic+ dungeons while ranged are a little stronger in raids, which is fine as long as the gap isn't too large.
  • The team doesn't want to solve the melee vs ranged problem by making life boring for melee and making raid mechanics that don't target them at all.
  • The community doesn't do a great job when something is 1% better and they claim it is the only viable option and everything else is garbage.

Ability Pruning

  • You prune a plant to guide its growth in new directions that are hopefully more aesthetically pleasing. It is removing stuff to make room to add new stuff. One of the themes of Legion class design is to emphasize strengths and weaknesses of classes. A lot of the things that were removed were removed after looking back at classes over the years where the class designers had taken the easy route. The team was coming up with a new set of abilities for an expansion or needed new talents and asked themselves what that class needed. If a class wasn't very mobile, they gave them a talent row with mobility options. Players thought this was amazing and what they always wanted, but that leads to a lot of homogenization.
  • In a world where no one has weaknesses there are also no strengths.
  • In Legion there is now room to add interesting utility, especially for specs that feel like they don't bring much beyond their throughput.
  • Bring the player, not the class was a reaction to the hyper regimented raid structure of Burning Crusade where buffs were party based and synergy was more important than anything else.
  • The team would like to get back to a place where if you are a PuG leader, you are looking at your raid comp and saying, "We could really use a Hunter, let's look for a good hunter", rather than "Let's look for any ranged DPS, especially the flavor of the month that is 2% better and thus is the only viable one". Obviously this isn't the case literally right now, but it is what the team is thinking about and would like to move towards over the course of patches and future content.

Expansion Launches

  • There is a lot that has been done by the server team and how the world is designed that will make the Legion launch smoother than the Warlords launch. Zones scale in level so the population will be distributed across the different zones. Under heavy load there will also be multiple versions of the same zone on the same server to make sure that server performance is okay and gameplay feels good.
  • One of the things that caused problems for servers at Warlords launch, especially on the Horde side, was the Spyglass that was needed to start the Horde Garrison. It was only usable by one player at a time, which caused a bit of a bottleneck. The team hotfixed it to be usable by multiple players at a time, but something went wrong with the hotfix and then no one could use the Spyglass. Horde players in North America were all stuck there for a few hours until the team could fix it, resulting in a big clump of players all hitting the garrison at the same time, making server problems much worse. Everyone on the server was doing Frostfire at the same time, resulting in a laggy zone and even more players building up there, making things even worse!

Raid Structure and Rewards

  • The current raid structure didn't change this expansion because there isn't a huge problem to fix. - All of the raid structure changes in previous expansions were targeted at solving a particular problem. Classic to Burning Crusade changed because the logistics of 40 man raiding were overwhelming for a lot of guilds, players were a cog in the giant raid machine. "Your job is to dispel this one person and that is your only job in this giant 40 player group". It was fun for the raid leader to plan all of that out but less fun for the players.
  • The introduction of 10 player raiding allowed the team to let more types of players and groups experience the content.
  • Flexible raiding is probably the best raid structure the team has done and is working well.
  • Three difficulties plus Raid Finder means that there is a raid difficulty for all of the different groups. Normal for friends, family, and PuGs. Heroic for guilds that are formed for the purpose of raiding, Mythic for the extremely hardcore players.
  • Mythic needed a fixed size so that tuning could be done in a way that is satisfying.
  • Being able to split the raid into groups that could go off and do a mechanic and assuming that the raid had one of every class was part of the encounters that the team wanted to design for Mythic, so the 20 player size felt like the right number. A smaller group size such as 15 players might have also worked, but that would have been tougher for the groups that were already at 25.
  • The team was worried that LFR was growing too much in prominence in some ways, so they wanted to make sure that players were doing regular group raiding didn't also feel obligated to do lots of Raid Finder to complement that. The team probably overdid this in Warlords by removing Tier sets from Raid Finder, so they are coming back to Raid Finder in Legion. Most of the players that are raiding competitively will already have set pieces before that Raid Finder wing opens, so they won't feel obligated to go and do it when it opens. If you have been really unlucky and want your set bonus, this gives you another chance to go and get that last piece.
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phsyquic

#150 El combate fue uno de los peores que se recuerdan y mas para un boss final y tan mitico como el, cataclysm tuvo un parche bueno hasta muy bueno diria yo, apartir de firelands empieza a ser mierda todo

Mystee

A mi las zonas de Cataclysm me encantan y hasta Firelands era una expansión buenísima, luego a Blizzard se le fue la olla por tratar de rizar mas el rizo

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seikooc

Poco contenido le veo a Legion ya veremos

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Mandarinas

#154 Pero si el primer tier de Raid ya tiene mas contenido que todo WoD xd

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seikooc

#155 sisi pero ya se va la segunda raid al 2017

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Mandarinas

#156 Supongo que habras limpiado todo en Mythic antes de que salga entonces.

phsyquic

#156 y eso es malo? son 5 meses, esta muy bien de tiempo para hacerlo todo sino pasa como highmaul mythic que casi nadie lo tira en tiempo

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seikooc

#158 y que decir de que van a ir por wings otra vez, es que no aprenden

Mystee

La hostia, venga, que podéis quejaros mas

Hxl

#154 cada vez que hablas sube el pan

seikooc

La expansión que decíais que era la mierda de entrada tenía la raid de Nefarian,Chogall y Siniestra, esta de momento tiene 7 bosses y son 3 alas.

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Mandarinas

#162 Cada vez que posteas es para meter mierda, no juegues macho nadie te manda xD

B

Nighthold es para principio de 2017, antes vendrá el 7.1 con kara y la raid de stormheim.

V

La dificultad de un contenido no es = a mas contenido. Que veo que si alguien se queja de contenido ya le saltais con que "Habras tirado mitico nooooo?"

Shandalar

"The very beggining of 2017", la verdad es que sinceramente me parece que, suponiendo que eso sea a principios de Enero, >3 meses son demasiados para un Ogrópolis 2.0, sin tier ni nada, más la miniraid que metan que asumo que serán 2 bosses.

Shandalar

Y por cierto a los que decís que por qué decimos que Cata es la peor expansión... supongo que no os acordáis bien de lo truño que es el leveo del 80 al 85 a excepción de Uldum, de las cuatro diarias y poco más que había que hacer, del nerfeo que le pegaron a las hcs a la semana de sacarlas, o de la vergüenza ajena que da como raid de final de expansión Dragon Soul.

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Posie

#167 El mismo truño que fue en wod ( a mi parecer )

Mystee

Ya empezamos, ahora el puto Emerald Dream que lo lleva pidiendo la comunidad 10 años es Highmaul 2.0? joder con las exigencias xd

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Shandalar

#169 pocos bosses y sin tier, muy similar en planteamiento.

-DnT-

Yo cuando leveé por primera vez en WoD y no había raids, no tenía nada que hacer a excepción de heroicas y desafíos. Legion por otro lado va a estar lleno de contenido desde el primer día y este parche va a caer en una buena fecha para que no nos aburramos.

Yo creo que estáis comparando tocino con velocidad, pero bueno.

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seikooc

#171 ahora tampoco vas a tener raids hasta la tercera semana, y para las mythic+ no sé si es un mes y medio

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-DnT-

#172 Lo se, estoy hablando del contenido de world quests, artefactos y demás que llenan cualquier sequía de contenido que haya.

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s4rge

#134 Cata fue la expansion que más contenido trajo al WoW, muchos no lo cuentan pero es que la expansión no va solo del 80 al 85 sino también desde el nivel 1 al 60 que rehicieron todo Azeroth de arriba a abajo con cadenas de quest muy guapas a niveles bajos y no como las que había antes que eran insulsas y genéricas, no me parece la peor expansión para nada.

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Indashadow

la peor expansión para mi respecto a lore fué pandaria :S y en general vaya XD... y le sigue wod.... entre esas 2 está la pelea de las peores expansiones ( mi opinión claro está... )

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Amne

Yo opino lo mismo; Cataclysm no estuvo tan mal, hasta firelands el contenido PVE era bastante bueno.

Además incluyó las Rated BG y las seasson de arena las recuerdo bastante más balanceadas que BC (Druid/Afli) y LK (DK ->TSG/Wizardcleave, etc).

Al final para gustos los colores.

seikooc

#173 y verás como te gimpea sin raids ni mythic el artifact, no entiendo porqué no siguen la estrategia de la TBC que tan buenos resultados le dió

Letkorias

10 Mazzs, 8 bosses de raid aproximadamente, los world bosses, las míticas+ (que se abren a la par que Pesadilla Esmeralda, no se que decís de un mes y medio) y todo lo que trae el class hall y las misiones de mundo...sinceramente dudo que termine el contenido en MM antes de la salida de la segunda raid y voy a jugar mucho. De una raid a otra, contando que hay otra más en medio habrá como 4 meses, de verdad que no se que cantidad de contenido queréis para hac erla luego dos veces en LFR. Es más, me parece un acierto que la distancien esos meses porque así hasta más o menos verano del año que viene no tendríamos el segundo tier de raid grande y eso automáticamente hace que no nos comamos un puto año sin contenido al final de expansión. Luego para finales de 2017 o principios del 18 la última raid y para estas fechas del 18 o para otoño nueva exp. La historia es que darse cuenta de esta gilipollez les ha costado 6 años. Todo esto contando solo con el contenido ya anunciado, que no se saquen alguna mini-raid más o más contenido en forma de zonas diferentes que es posible que lo hagan. Yo es que no se que coño se puede criticar cuando esta expansión puede tener tranquilamente el doble de contenido de WOD y mucho mejor planteado.

B

El otro dia me meti por la mision que dieron para ir al nuevo Dalaran y ami me trae buenos recuerdos esa raid. Es original y tiene bonita ambientacion. Es un sitio con mucho encanto y misterio. No es la mejor raid de wow ni mucho menos.

Ulduar que la dejen tal y como esta.. que se estan cargando todo el encanto de las putas expansiones y sus raids.

Tampoco me convence mucho que cada año renueven raids antiguas. No me gusto Nucleo de Magma al igual que tampoco me gusta que metan el tema de Illidan ahora, ni Garrosh en Panda pero mira, esta de moda ahora volver al pasado para que a los 2 putos meses lo dejen.

bruma

Cataclysm empezó siendo una muy buena expansión, pero hubo muchos lloros de peña que decía que las mazmorras eran muy difíciles, metieron el nerf, y a partir de ahí, es cuando empezó a joderse la cosa y donde todo el mundo recuerda que fue una mierda de expansión.

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